You are such an example of this, TJFW. This is so touching and your words mirror those in my heart regarding this subject too. I think a major reason christians are Amsh fisted is because a lot of them are up to their eyeballs in debt. When there is a need, it is taken care of. However, the little I do know, they sound wonderful. May I ask a follow up question. I know my church Amish Gif Widow support widows, and families in need; there are a great many generous people within our church.